1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,319 Manufactures and dealer of the Efika. 2 00:00:02,319 --> 00:00:06,269 He came to join us, a Linux betatester 3 00:00:06,269 --> 00:00:10,816 He's doing betatest job, and came to tell us more about the Linux aspects, 4 00:00:11,334 --> 00:00:15,401 while I will try to talk about the Amiga aspects 5 00:00:15,401 --> 00:00:17,337 as far as it's tied to the Amiga of course 6 00:00:17,337 --> 00:00:19,855 as there is always an ongoing debate over it. 7 00:00:19,855 --> 00:00:24,160 At first let's talk about the hardware. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,460 Now, this is an Efika, taken apart. 9 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:33,894 It's a PowerPC based hardware. 10 00:00:33,894 --> 00:00:40,643 We will later explain why it's good that it's this small and seems to be so simple. 11 00:00:40,644 --> 00:00:48,936 As we all know, all over the desktop and everywhere X86 CPU's are pushing ahead 12 00:00:48,971 --> 00:00:51,632 even our main sponsor is Intel, and there's nothing wrong with it. 13 00:00:51,633 --> 00:00:59,400 But my personal opinion is, that the world, behind this marketing layer 14 00:00:59,401 --> 00:01:02,175 is moved ahead by different CPU types. 15 00:01:02,176 --> 00:01:05,219 You've just seen the mobile presentation 16 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:12,812 and most of you may know, that most mobile phones are built around ARM processors 17 00:01:12,813 --> 00:01:14,465 save for a few outdated models. 18 00:01:14,466 --> 00:01:23,112 and if you visit the console room, in all three next gen consoles you will find Power derivative processors. 19 00:01:23,113 --> 00:01:27,322 This is why we think it worths to look for alternatives 20 00:01:27,323 --> 00:01:34,062 besides the mainstream X86 processors. 21 00:01:34,063 --> 00:01:39,537 The Amiga roots of this whole Efika line 22 00:01:39,538 --> 00:01:45,082 start with the firm called Phase5 23 00:01:45,083 --> 00:01:53,923 who developed many turbo cards, including the only working PowerPC turbo cards for Amiga computers 24 00:01:53,924 --> 00:01:56,710 but then Phase5 folded, 25 00:01:56,711 --> 00:02:02,088 and most of the engineers founded the firm called BPlan 26 00:02:02,089 --> 00:02:04,111 who developed the Pegasos motherboard 27 00:02:04,112 --> 00:02:11,148 which was manufactured in different models during, if I remember right from 2002 up to 2006 28 00:02:11,149 --> 00:02:15,514 but it was time to move on, 29 00:02:15,515 --> 00:02:20,699 RoHS rules and demands have changed, 30 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:40,956 and it was time to target a segment beside the desktop, where Intel and their X86 processors dictate the rules 31 00:02:40,957 --> 00:02:48,719 Despite this, the Efika motherboard we are about to show off can even be used as a desktop computer 32 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,269 both with Linux, and maybe even more with MorphOS 33 00:02:52,270 --> 00:02:54,034 but this you will all see from the speed 34 00:02:54,035 --> 00:02:56,638 Peter Czanik will introduce Linux, 35 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,639 we will show you some spectacular things, 36 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:06,055 but at first I think let's talk about the hardware capabilities of the Efika 37 00:03:06,056 --> 00:03:10,930 the motherboard is this small as you can see in the box 38 00:03:10,931 --> 00:03:14,420 it's a hard drive on the top of it 39 00:03:14,421 --> 00:03:22,641 this box you can see is the original case it arrives in 40 00:03:22,642 --> 00:03:25,626 there's a Pico PSU, this small thing is all the PSU there 41 00:03:25,627 --> 00:03:28,006 it operates from a 12V external PSU 42 00:03:28,007 --> 00:03:31,043 this is an IDE controller 43 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:33,758 and right below the HDD we can find the processor 44 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:36,010 and the memory too 45 00:03:36,011 --> 00:03:37,853 of course all without a cooler 46 00:03:37,854 --> 00:03:39,953 the entire thing takes up 4, yes four Watt 47 00:03:39,954 --> 00:03:42,072 and of that 3 goes for the memory. 48 00:03:42,073 --> 00:03:43,919 and 1 for the processor 49 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:49,506 there's a standard 3.3V PCI slot 50 00:03:49,507 --> 00:03:55,517 and as some slots in the desktop are 5V not all cards might work, but 51 00:03:55,518 --> 00:04:00,704 most cards today support this standard. 52 00:04:00,705 --> 00:04:07,429 It has another advantage, as it's relatively simple to convert this PCI to something resembling an AGP 53 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:11,218 so there's an AGP riser like this 54 00:04:11,219 --> 00:04:15,946 which enables us to use low profile AGP cards 55 00:04:15,947 --> 00:04:20,681 Yes, you may as well ask if this machine is so integrated, why the video isn't integrated as well 56 00:04:20,682 --> 00:04:26,135 now as far as I know the Efika started as an experimental project 57 00:04:26,136 --> 00:04:31,257 but it turned out that it can be manufactured so cheap, and there seems to be also demand for it 58 00:04:31,258 --> 00:04:33,511 that it went into production 59 00:04:33,512 --> 00:04:37,212 but as new versions of the system on chip the Efika is built around will appear 60 00:04:37,213 --> 00:04:50,293 which besides the processor contains the PCI, IDE, USB, Ethernet etc. 61 00:04:50,294 --> 00:04:56,143 and when it will include integrated video 62 00:04:56,144 --> 00:04:59,908 this PCI slot might free up for other purposes. 63 00:04:59,909 --> 00:05:04,831 The connectors at the backplate are the follows 64 00:05:04,832 --> 00:05:14,541 there's the place for the low profile agp card 65 00:05:14,541 --> 00:05:18,441 and it requires absolutely no cooling, not even with the video card 66 00:05:18,442 --> 00:05:28,429 so it's absolutely silent and noiseless 67 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:35,680 in this one we have a Toshiba HDD which is absolutely silent too. 68 00:05:35,681 --> 00:05:40,111 there's also 2 USB 69 00:05:40,112 --> 00:05:42,934 one ethernet connector 70 00:05:42,935 --> 00:05:46,024 the usual sound connectors, microphone, line, etc. 71 00:05:46,025 --> 00:05:52,772 also, just like on the Pegasos an SPDIF optical sound output 72 00:05:52,773 --> 00:05:56,009 and there is also a serial port 73 00:05:56,010 --> 00:06:05,819 which comes handy if you use the PCI slot for something else like a Wifi card or anything 74 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:15,047 the board can be fully controlled through this serial port 75 00:06:15,048 --> 00:06:18,387 even the BIOS and the firmware can be accessed through it 76 00:06:18,388 --> 00:06:24,323 many of us might know Hyperterminal from Windows 77 00:06:24,324 --> 00:06:31,428 you connect it to the Efika, and all BIOS messages will show up 78 00:06:31,429 --> 00:06:34,312 and you can fully control the machine through this. 79 00:06:34,313 --> 00:06:39,457 Of course it's mostly for Linux use 80 00:06:39,458 --> 00:06:42,673 as Linux also fully works through the serial port 81 00:06:42,674 --> 00:06:52,142 so if you don't need a graphic interface, as you use it as a home server, or any other low consumption purpose 82 00:06:52,143 --> 00:06:58,323 the machine will be perfectly accessible this way. 83 00:06:58,324 --> 00:07:04,162 Well, if there might be anything that I missed, let's hear your questions 84 00:07:04,163 --> 00:07:07,587 Where's the PSU? 85 00:07:07,588 --> 00:07:11,502 We have already mentioned it, it has an ATX PSU, this one here. 86 00:07:11,503 --> 00:07:15,234 That's all the PSU there. 87 00:07:15,235 --> 00:07:18,451 And also there is an external PSU providing 12V. 88 00:07:18,452 --> 00:07:24,463 Here's the external PSU. 89 00:07:24,464 --> 00:07:29,349 Not a big deal as well. 90 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:36,781 A fully assembled Efika with a low profile radeon, which is not famous of it's low consumption 91 00:07:36,782 --> 00:07:45,454 can be made taking below 10 Watts as Peter corrects me. 92 00:07:45,455 --> 00:07:49,872 He measured it, 10 Watts then. 93 00:07:49,873 --> 00:07:52,171 Including the HDD and all. 94 00:07:52,172 --> 00:07:57,381 Don't know if I mentioned it, it's a 400 MHz CPU 95 00:07:57,382 --> 00:08:01,584 with 128 Mb integrated memory 96 00:08:01,585 --> 00:08:03,408 it may seem quite weak 97 00:08:03,409 --> 00:08:05,103 but it's more than enough 98 00:08:05,104 --> 00:08:12,827 as many of you might meet with my email adress, scenergy.dfmk.hu 99 00:08:12,828 --> 00:08:16,836 this machine is a 120 MHz 486 with 32 Mb ram 100 00:08:16,837 --> 00:08:18,668 along with a 4 Gb HDD 101 00:08:18,669 --> 00:08:21,614 and it works flawlessly for more than 8 years 102 00:08:21,615 --> 00:08:26,285 and we salvaged it even in those times from the bottom of the scrapheap 103 00:08:26,286 --> 00:08:28,859 both the motherboard and the case 104 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:31,245 and it's happily working with over 30 users 105 00:08:31,246 --> 00:08:35,500 so you can imagine what this machine can do if you want to use it to similar purposes. 106 00:08:35,501 --> 00:08:43,238 Now, any more questions? 107 00:08:43,239 --> 00:08:50,754 When will it have MorphOS? 108 00:08:50,755 --> 00:08:53,515 I don't know, and I was perfectly frank with that. 109 00:08:53,516 --> 00:08:58,112 Or, I lied tho, there is MorphOS for it, and we will show it off 110 00:08:58,113 --> 00:09:05,109 but when will it be released and available for the public I don't know. 111 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:07,211 We hope sometime soon. 112 00:09:07,212 --> 00:09:10,992 We have a slide, I think it already displayed, the impact is near. 113 00:09:10,993 --> 00:09:12,676 MorphOS 2.0 114 00:09:12,677 --> 00:09:16,314 That's the starting point. 115 00:09:16,315 --> 00:09:19,737 It's closer than many might like, and farther than many would like. 116 00:09:19,738 --> 00:09:27,186 I think it's time for the Linux presentation 117 00:09:27,187 --> 00:09:32,811 the only thing I'd say before I pass the microphone 118 00:09:32,812 --> 00:09:36,472 well... no, I'd better tell it later. 119 00:09:36,473 --> 00:09:38,382 Peter, please continue 120 00:09:47,655 --> 00:09:52,588 Okay, it even works. 121 00:09:52,589 --> 00:09:54,721 I'm Peter Czanik 122 00:09:54,722 --> 00:09:57,830 called as a Genesi operative here 123 00:09:57,831 --> 00:10:00,729 that may be true as an external associate 124 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:04,307 I haven't met in life with any internal operatives 125 00:10:04,308 --> 00:10:07,702 even with an external only about 1.5 years ago in Brussels 126 00:10:07,703 --> 00:10:14,032 but they're a good bunch, we keep in touch through the internet 127 00:10:14,033 --> 00:10:19,140 it's good to work together 128 00:10:19,141 --> 00:10:26,670 I think most of you know more the Pegasos and MorphOS from the Amiga side 129 00:10:26,671 --> 00:10:28,183 so how does Linux comes into the picture? 130 00:10:28,184 --> 00:10:32,277 At least it has been asked many times. 131 00:10:32,278 --> 00:10:36,141 The major reason is financial. 132 00:10:36,142 --> 00:10:42,451 I know it may be a little embarassing as an Amigan, but it's a considerably smaller community compared to the Linux one 133 00:10:42,452 --> 00:10:46,800 and after some time it turned out that it can't maintain a company on it's own 134 00:10:46,801 --> 00:10:53,146 then came an opening towards the Linux community 135 00:10:53,147 --> 00:11:01,757 as it may help pay the bills, and even support development for the Amiga line 136 00:11:01,758 --> 00:11:15,060 and I joined when it turned out, and there was a need to test different Linux distributions, 137 00:11:15,061 --> 00:11:17,585 as there are rarely two similar among them. 138 00:11:19,571 --> 00:11:26,774 I'm a Suse tester for about 10 years 139 00:11:34,895 --> 00:11:43,158 and when the 10 OpenSuse appeared I asked BBRV 140 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,886 whether I could test it on their machine 141 00:11:46,887 --> 00:11:52,441 when they asked for my address, which I left out from my email 142 00:11:52,442 --> 00:11:55,940 and in approx. 10 days I tested OpenSuse on the Pegasos 143 00:11:55,941 --> 00:12:02,182 He received a machine for free just for testing, and all this for an email. 144 00:12:02,183 --> 00:12:09,976 But since then it payed out I believe. 145 00:12:09,977 --> 00:12:15,676 It means that the distrib working best on Pegasos is the OpenSuse 146 00:12:15,677 --> 00:12:22,025 and also working, but it's not important anymore the Open Enterprise Server 147 00:12:22,026 --> 00:12:24,127 absolutely flawlessly 148 00:12:24,128 --> 00:12:27,019 the only drawback is that no new Pegasos can be bought for it. 149 00:12:30,768 --> 00:12:34,317 A question also many used to ask from me is 150 00:12:34,318 --> 00:12:39,592 isn't the Efika a step back? 151 00:12:39,593 --> 00:12:42,201 as it is much more modest performance wise 152 00:12:42,202 --> 00:12:47,632 or even if not much more, it's still weaker than the Pegasos 153 00:12:47,633 --> 00:12:58,303 Those who ask the question may be right, as computationally it's indeed weaker, 154 00:12:58,304 --> 00:13:05,651 but it's like a swiss army knife, because it's small both in it's size and consumption 155 00:13:05,652 --> 00:13:12,752 it's terribly small, for me I use it for measuring, so it needs neither HDD or video 156 00:13:12,753 --> 00:13:18,819 it's peak consumption is 4 Watts, but usually I measure 2-3 Watts 157 00:13:18,820 --> 00:13:23,366 when I control an instrument through the serial port 158 00:13:23,367 --> 00:13:27,922 and it belongs quite to the insignificant category 159 00:13:27,923 --> 00:13:37,518 from this you can see that it can be used for many purposes. It can also be used as a desktop machine 160 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:44,584 the only thing you have to pay attention to not to use the most demanding applications available 161 00:13:44,585 --> 00:13:54,605 and if you do so, you can achieve the same functionality as with a 3-4 GHz P IV 162 00:13:54,606 --> 00:14:03,046 and the over advertised Core 2 Duo is absolutely unnecessary on the desk of a secretary 163 00:14:03,047 --> 00:14:10,027 Sorry, in the name of our sponsor, the Core 2 Duo is an excellent processor. 164 00:14:19,582 --> 00:14:23,945 Now, the same functionality can be achieved on this machine 165 00:14:23,946 --> 00:14:29,540 the only difference being in the savings on the electricity bill. 166 00:14:29,541 --> 00:14:39,147 This box you can see assembled here is called Open Client 167 00:14:39,148 --> 00:14:55,060 this indicates the direction Genesi is heading to, namely the market of thin clients 168 00:14:55,061 --> 00:15:09,608 as this machine is enough, or more than enough to run an RDesktop or a VNC 169 00:15:09,609 --> 00:15:27,573 and we have deployed worldwide 10-30-50 Efikas connected to a main server as clients 170 00:15:27,574 --> 00:15:31,829 I think I will pass the hardware around and see for yourselves 171 00:15:31,830 --> 00:15:35,158 but carefully please, as it's a working hardware and we want to use it later in the presentation 172 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:43,959 so take it, I have removed the video card as it's a standard PC videocard 173 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:52,364 So here it is 174 00:15:52,365 --> 00:15:57,217 get in touch 175 00:15:57,218 --> 00:16:07,136 Sorry for the interruption, go on 176 00:16:07,137 --> 00:16:16,860 There are many projects, and I mention projects as there is a website 177 00:16:16,861 --> 00:16:19,964 called www.powerdeveloper.org 178 00:16:19,965 --> 00:16:24,482 it's the developer page of Genesi 179 00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:28,187 one could apply for free Efika boards at a time 180 00:16:28,188 --> 00:16:39,092 and almost the third of those projects was about a set-top-box like setup 181 00:16:39,093 --> 00:16:50,396 you put it on top of the television, and with a remote you can play music or video from a different server 182 00:16:50,397 --> 00:16:54,931 or even play tv games 183 00:16:54,932 --> 00:17:05,354 but don't think about console level graphics 184 00:17:05,355 --> 00:17:15,473 but more like old c64 games, or even Quake III can be played on some of these 185 00:17:19,545 --> 00:17:25,678 My favorite is measuring tasks, 186 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:36,707 in this case a larger machine may itself influence the measurement even with the heat it dissipates 187 00:17:36,708 --> 00:17:44,021 in my case in soil chemistry PH measurement depends on temperature 188 00:17:44,022 --> 00:17:50,921 and external heat sources may influence the results 189 00:17:50,922 --> 00:17:59,819 but if I place an Efika beside the experiment it has relatively zero impact 190 00:18:07,727 --> 00:18:12,099 In the background if there's a way I'd like to start up the macine 191 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:20,420 as I'd like to help Charlie to show what Efika is less great to use 192 00:18:20,421 --> 00:18:22,141 and where comes MorphOS into the picture 193 00:18:22,142 --> 00:18:25,876 Picture? It's turned on. 194 00:18:25,877 --> 00:18:28,788 Here it is... Wait... 195 00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:37,985 Here it is. An Open Suse if I'm not mistaken? 196 00:18:37,986 --> 00:18:40,167 Yes, you're right it's an Open Suse. 197 00:18:43,305 --> 00:18:46,206 Could you please turn off the light? 198 00:18:46,207 --> 00:18:51,538 The first example will be an anti-example 199 00:18:51,539 --> 00:19:05,643 We all know there's a mania of 3D desktops all around the world 200 00:19:05,644 --> 00:19:09,889 Everything's transparent, cross fading, eye-candy and so on 201 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:16,495 And even Linux knows all this, and there are many youtube videos watched with envy by both Windows and Mac users 202 00:19:16,496 --> 00:19:20,647 Like rubber like windows and 3D rotating desktop on a cube 203 00:19:20,648 --> 00:19:24,011 and it works on Efika too... but... 204 00:19:24,012 --> 00:19:27,063 In five minutes we will see. 205 00:19:27,064 --> 00:19:28,898 So now it's gnome booting... 206 00:19:28,899 --> 00:19:31,683 Well, like a gnome, crawls in pretty slow 207 00:19:31,684 --> 00:19:34,926 X switched resolution 208 00:19:34,927 --> 00:19:38,177 Oh, we have a cursor, great! 209 00:19:44,765 --> 00:19:54,136 To go on, before Genesi I was a system administrator 210 00:19:54,137 --> 00:19:59,518 I use the Efika as a home server 211 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:08,379 Charlie already mentioned how little performance is enough for pretty fine services 212 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:13,201 I have a similar Open Client at home 213 00:20:13,202 --> 00:20:20,449 as a server for the two laptops, the other Efikas and the Pegasos 214 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:25,424 beta installations run always from this machine 215 00:20:25,425 --> 00:20:29,882 even video through lan 216 00:20:29,883 --> 00:20:32,097 and it's very pleasant to use 217 00:20:32,098 --> 00:20:40,618 but still the laptop HDD is not a supersonic jetfighter 218 00:20:40,619 --> 00:20:49,813 so for speed critical tasks I rather use an external USB HDD 219 00:20:49,814 --> 00:20:53,414 Is it really starting? 220 00:20:53,415 --> 00:20:57,824 It starts very slowly, I said it will take some time. 221 00:20:57,825 --> 00:21:02,314 But isn't it time for the GDM first? Yes it must be the GDM. 222 00:21:02,315 --> 00:21:06,892 I have also a GDM, but by this time it should be running. 223 00:21:06,893 --> 00:21:10,971 Another thing to mention 224 00:21:10,972 --> 00:21:12,848 Efika can be purchased as a standalone motherboard 225 00:21:12,849 --> 00:21:15,269 in the first times it could only be purchased that way 226 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:18,666 as it's not compatible with certain form factors 227 00:21:18,667 --> 00:21:22,027 it's because of size and manufacturing considerations 228 00:21:22,028 --> 00:21:23,795 it's cheaper to produce if smaller 229 00:21:23,796 --> 00:21:25,379 but it's not size compatible with anything else 230 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:32,048 Many of you certainly heard of the VIA Epia 231 00:21:32,049 --> 00:21:35,110 where VIA defined an ITX standard 232 00:21:35,111 --> 00:21:38,739 which become their household standard 233 00:21:38,740 --> 00:21:40,843 and it's a Micro ITX case 234 00:21:40,844 --> 00:21:42,865 and it's my Efika 235 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:45,889 It was quite simple to modify the case to fit 236 00:21:45,890 --> 00:21:50,796 all those managed to pass technics in elementary classes 237 00:21:50,797 --> 00:21:54,744 will be able to do the same, it takes two sheets of cardboard and a scissors 238 00:21:54,745 --> 00:22:00,549 now as heat is a non-issue 239 00:22:00,550 --> 00:22:04,413 I fixed the cardboard to the Mini ITX holes 240 00:22:04,414 --> 00:22:07,533 and then placed the Efika on the cardboard 241 00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:10,624 and that's all 242 00:22:10,625 --> 00:22:14,795 it's perfectly stable, as it's very light and small 243 00:22:14,796 --> 00:22:16,362 so it will stay in place 244 00:22:17,351 --> 00:22:21,875 There's no additional HDD in there, so it was quite easy to do 245 00:22:21,876 --> 00:22:26,750 Well? Will we have a Linux or has it given it up? 246 00:22:26,751 --> 00:22:32,019 Over there it worked. 247 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:35,497 So it's the devil... 248 00:22:35,498 --> 00:22:40,081 Can we make it to show off something without the XGL? 249 00:22:40,082 --> 00:22:42,094 I think we'd rather... 250 00:22:42,095 --> 00:22:45,797 Can you start the XFCE? 251 00:22:45,798 --> 00:22:48,429 It seems we won't have it this time 252 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:49,639 why should it work? 253 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:56,756 But we could see that it starts incredibly slow 254 00:22:56,757 --> 00:22:58,201 when it starts, that is 255 00:22:58,202 --> 00:23:00,715 It's all about you can really rotate the cube. 256 00:23:04,027 --> 00:23:09,493 And about that's it, as Gnome takes all 128 Mb of the ram 257 00:23:09,494 --> 00:23:12,872 and we will see the real contrast with MorphOS 258 00:23:12,873 --> 00:23:18,674 As on the same machine where Linux is absolutely struggles as a desktop 259 00:23:18,675 --> 00:23:21,512 or it works with limitations 260 00:23:21,513 --> 00:23:25,391 MorphOS performs with surprising speed. 261 00:23:25,392 --> 00:23:27,057 In my opinion. 262 00:23:27,058 --> 00:23:31,107 Even more so when we take into considerations the effects it performs. 263 00:23:31,108 --> 00:23:37,987 Loves, loves not... 264 00:23:37,988 --> 00:23:39,884 It seems better. 265 00:23:39,885 --> 00:23:42,601 Artifact is your friend. 266 00:23:52,211 --> 00:23:56,012 Now it's possible that effects would work on XFCE4 too? 267 00:23:56,013 --> 00:24:00,073 Magic... XFCE... 268 00:24:04,019 --> 00:24:09,618 Ooops... 269 00:24:09,619 --> 00:24:15,261 Something works, but not everything... 270 00:24:15,262 --> 00:24:21,430 Of course I wanted to show XFCE as something working fast 271 00:24:21,431 --> 00:24:25,552 But it won't do... All right. 272 00:24:27,889 --> 00:24:31,859 We also has to tell about the different Operating Systems 273 00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:36,269 Charlie will tell about the MorphOS... 274 00:24:41,968 --> 00:24:45,452 but apart from that there are a few more available 275 00:24:45,453 --> 00:24:51,007 those in the still in development category 276 00:24:51,008 --> 00:24:53,881 NetBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris 277 00:24:53,882 --> 00:24:59,900 still haven't reached the single user mode 278 00:24:59,901 --> 00:25:03,979 there are also some drivers missing 279 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:09,567 porting is about initialising or something like that 280 00:25:09,568 --> 00:25:12,006 so there is still work to do 281 00:25:12,007 --> 00:25:17,981 There are systems fully functional, but unfortunately I couldn't bring you a working demo version 282 00:25:17,982 --> 00:25:19,656 like QNX 283 00:25:19,657 --> 00:25:31,918 Some of you may remember the 1 floppy QNX with a web browser 284 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:36,725 and the same time when Explorer could be installed from 27 floppy disks 285 00:25:36,725 --> 00:25:39,368 this contained the whole Operating System 286 00:25:41,842 --> 00:25:43,466 It's a real time operating system 287 00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:49,588 it has significance in measuring 288 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:53,573 if all goes well I might use them for the same purpose 289 00:25:53,574 --> 00:25:59,870 when labview port is finished 290 00:26:03,455 --> 00:26:10,172 What's also ready? 291 00:26:10,173 --> 00:26:18,087 Linux is more or less ready 292 00:26:22,179 --> 00:26:30,161 there are drivers for all components of the Efika 293 00:26:30,162 --> 00:26:36,411 even as a last, the soundcard is usable 294 00:26:36,412 --> 00:26:39,414 practically everything works 295 00:26:39,415 --> 00:26:43,931 the only issue is that while there is stable driver for everything 296 00:26:43,932 --> 00:26:48,755 not everything is included in the official Linus kernel 297 00:26:48,756 --> 00:26:51,211 the boys are still working on it 298 00:26:56,767 --> 00:27:01,710 The different distributions 299 00:27:01,711 --> 00:27:11,303 Bplan in the old days, when Efika made it's first appearance 300 00:27:11,304 --> 00:27:15,035 provided a Debian installer 301 00:27:15,036 --> 00:27:26,340 that still works, but a manual is still required, what needs to be done differently than the official install 302 00:27:26,341 --> 00:27:35,681 also perfectly working is Gentoo with it's simple installer 303 00:27:35,682 --> 00:27:39,156 so Gentoo works very fine 304 00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:42,528 Gentoo also has the advantage 305 00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:50,078 that every software can be optimized for the CPU 306 00:27:50,079 --> 00:28:00,085 and it contains also that much as is really necessary 307 00:28:00,086 --> 00:28:04,606 Well, that's my fault as I convinced Peter to show off XGL 308 00:28:04,607 --> 00:28:09,094 and it made everything sluggish 309 00:28:09,095 --> 00:28:25,958 the advantage of Gentoo also it's disadvantage, as everything has to be compiled 310 00:28:25,959 --> 00:28:29,570 and Efika is not the ideal platform for massive compilations like OpenOffice 311 00:28:29,571 --> 00:28:33,801 which takes 9 hours even on a Pentium IV for me 312 00:28:37,253 --> 00:28:44,074 but there are also Gentoo binaries available and they really fly 313 00:28:44,075 --> 00:28:45,675 and there even the XGL flies 314 00:28:45,676 --> 00:28:50,271 Also related that one of the Gentoo developers 315 00:28:50,272 --> 00:28:53,980 Pieter Van den Abeele 316 00:28:53,981 --> 00:29:02,033 he made us a Gentoo iso where everything truly flies on the Efika 317 00:29:02,034 --> 00:29:05,253 but it's a 1.5 Gb DVD image 318 00:29:05,254 --> 00:29:06,902 we received this morning at 9 am 319 00:29:06,903 --> 00:29:11,205 and the server it's on performed only 20 kb/sec 320 00:29:11,206 --> 00:29:14,195 so we were unable to download it in time 321 00:29:14,196 --> 00:29:19,298 All those will come next Friday to the Amiga Club will be able to see it 322 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:33,545 Anything more? I'd like to tell about a few other distributions 323 00:29:37,596 --> 00:29:49,563 Also to Gentoo, if you have a powerful machine, cross compiling works, so you can use it for compiling 324 00:29:54,427 --> 00:29:57,244 Ubuntu is very popular, but unfortunately no installer is working yet to it 325 00:29:57,245 --> 00:30:09,650 but Suse's installer is working like a charm 326 00:30:09,651 --> 00:30:15,757 all that we have to fiddle with starting parameters a bit yet 327 00:30:15,758 --> 00:30:18,574 but it's working fine 328 00:30:18,575 --> 00:30:23,523 what you can see behind is a Suse 329 00:30:23,524 --> 00:30:26,975 it's only sluggish because of XGL, 330 00:30:26,976 --> 00:30:27,835 otherwise i'ts pretty fast 331 00:30:27,836 --> 00:30:30,487 or used to be 332 00:30:30,488 --> 00:30:39,828 Fedora, I haven't tried to be honest 333 00:30:54,302 --> 00:31:02,226 Also good to know, that if someone intends to use it as a thin client 334 00:31:02,227 --> 00:31:06,229 then with a minimum amount of hacking 335 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:10,243 the Edubuntu, if someone installed it on his Pegasos 336 00:31:10,244 --> 00:31:13,134 or any other PowerPC based machine 337 00:31:13,135 --> 00:31:20,585 then he can use the Efika as a thin client to it 338 00:31:24,432 --> 00:31:24,432 I think that's all 339 00:31:26,878 --> 00:31:32,163 If anyone has questions I will gladly answer them 340 00:31:32,164 --> 00:31:36,870 Question, anyone? 341 00:31:38,988 --> 00:31:41,700 I have the idea that I have a set up Debian on my machine 342 00:31:41,701 --> 00:31:44,194 and we destroyed Peter's Suse presentation 343 00:31:44,195 --> 00:31:46,034 making it so sluggish 344 00:31:46,035 --> 00:31:49,941 we should try my Debian 345 00:31:49,942 --> 00:31:53,325 as I've booted it several times and worked perfectly 346 00:31:53,326 --> 00:31:57,061 with much more decent speed 347 00:32:00,905 --> 00:32:00,905 But if Peter manages to do something 348 00:32:00,906 --> 00:32:02,915 to make XGL disappear 349 00:32:02,916 --> 00:32:04,562 then we may wait even to his machine 350 00:32:06,619 --> 00:32:10,477 I'd like to add to the PowerPC based machines 351 00:32:10,478 --> 00:32:13,755 as it's a twilight zone for many of you 352 00:32:13,756 --> 00:32:17,921 that despite these machines are not compatible 353 00:32:17,922 --> 00:32:23,533 like there is a PowerPC processor in the PS3 354 00:32:23,534 --> 00:32:25,610 and Linux is running on it 355 00:32:25,611 --> 00:32:27,858 there is PPC in older Macintosh machines, also running Linux 356 00:32:27,859 --> 00:32:30,629 PowerPC is in a PowerPC based Amiga 357 00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:31,775 PowerPC is in the Pegasos 358 00:32:31,776 --> 00:32:37,274 so in theory these machines ain't compatible 359 00:32:37,275 --> 00:32:42,392 as the hardware, the rom is made of quite a wide variety 360 00:32:42,393 --> 00:32:46,834 if you have already installed a Linux kernel 361 00:32:46,835 --> 00:32:53,182 then... any of you back there haven't seen the Efika? 362 00:32:53,183 --> 00:32:55,238 Or it was there already? 363 00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:01,345 Let's start the Debian 364 00:33:04,962 --> 00:33:04,962 All right, 365 00:33:04,963 --> 00:33:08,958 when you have a Linux kernel, the same softwares will run everywhere 366 00:33:08,959 --> 00:33:13,946 you compile it on the stronger machine 367 00:33:13,947 --> 00:33:15,375 you simply copy it over 368 00:33:15,376 --> 00:33:16,791 and it works 369 00:33:16,792 --> 00:33:20,270 It applies to all the operating systems working on this machine 370 00:33:20,271 --> 00:33:22,142 we have mentioned MorphOS 371 00:33:22,143 --> 00:33:24,858 and just like on PowerPC Amigas 372 00:33:24,859 --> 00:33:27,067 and the Pegasos 373 00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:28,394 and the Efika the exact same softwares run 374 00:33:28,395 --> 00:33:32,721 the binarias are the same 375 00:33:32,722 --> 00:33:37,999 Only exceptions when a hardware has too little performance for the task 376 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,223 or it uses say the altivec in the G4 processor 377 00:33:46,914 --> 00:33:50,419 It's obvious if it's missing from a processor it won't work 378 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:52,937 It's the same on PC 379 00:33:52,938 --> 00:33:57,558 If a CPU extension isn't in the processor you want to run it on, it won't work 380 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,729 Is XGL a history now? 381 00:34:00,730 --> 00:34:07,239 Oh my, XGL started! 382 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:16,331 Advance in technology is marvellous 383 00:34:21,041 --> 00:34:24,686 Stemming from the fact that it's a developer Suse 384 00:34:24,687 --> 00:34:29,740 and it's the OpenSuse updater which had problems 385 00:34:29,741 --> 00:34:34,206 But it's no wonder as there's nothing to update with 386 00:34:36,979 --> 00:34:38,346 Well? Well? 387 00:34:42,411 --> 00:34:44,124 There's a clock! 388 00:34:44,125 --> 00:34:46,062 Approx. 1-2 minutes 389 00:34:46,063 --> 00:34:50,402 The window didn't fade out, is XGL running for sure? 390 00:34:50,403 --> 00:34:54,079 Well, it's not sure... 391 00:34:59,047 --> 00:35:00,882 Guess it isn't... right? 392 00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:12,433 All right, let's connect the other Efika, and there we can show something. 393 00:35:15,658 --> 00:35:20,458 We have volume adjuster also if I'm not mistaken 394 00:35:21,778 --> 00:35:23,447 Menu! 395 00:35:28,478 --> 00:35:31,400 Surprisingly fast - we don't have XGL, do we? 396 00:35:37,658 --> 00:35:41,986 I'm surprised as I've used this machine 397 00:35:41,987 --> 00:35:44,792 I mean mine with Linux 398 00:35:44,793 --> 00:35:47,277 so it's... No XGL, right? 399 00:35:47,278 --> 00:35:49,865 No XGL, all right 400 00:35:51,699 --> 00:36:01,404 2 minutes break 401 00:36:29,945 --> 00:36:32,550 The most interesting thing if I may tell it 402 00:36:32,551 --> 00:36:34,618 that there's the scenecon's website 403 00:36:34,619 --> 00:36:38,349 there was a beta test system 404 00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:41,697 where we checked all modifications before going live 405 00:36:41,698 --> 00:36:45,163 and the test server was the same Efika which is connected to the projector 406 00:36:45,164 --> 00:36:48,191 we hope that we will also have picture 407 00:36:48,192 --> 00:36:50,094 Blue, there is blue. 408 00:36:50,095 --> 00:36:52,406 There's picture. 409 00:36:52,407 --> 00:36:53,755 Wonderful. 410 00:36:53,756 --> 00:36:57,070 That was Debian. 411 00:37:03,428 --> 00:37:06,040 I managed to type in my password at first try, unprecedented. 412 00:37:06,041 --> 00:37:09,276 I also have XFCE. 413 00:37:09,277 --> 00:37:14,345 But it may show that it's also capable of endurable speed. 414 00:37:14,346 --> 00:37:18,580 Same hardware? Exact same hardware. 415 00:37:18,581 --> 00:37:20,262 Exactly the same machine as before. 416 00:37:20,263 --> 00:37:23,847 It takes this long to boot XFCE, I think it's bearable. 417 00:37:23,848 --> 00:37:32,346 It's the case we wanted too much 418 00:37:32,347 --> 00:37:35,017 adjusted Peter's machine accordingly, but managed to mess it up 419 00:37:35,018 --> 00:37:46,479 Problem is, there's no net, so I can show off the browser 420 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,865 Iceweasel is tricky 421 00:37:48,866 --> 00:37:50,511 while Opera is quite usable 422 00:37:50,512 --> 00:37:53,293 as soon as it swaps itself in. 423 00:37:53,294 --> 00:37:59,250 That seems to be usable. 424 00:37:59,251 --> 00:38:03,292 Flock? I don't know. 425 00:38:03,293 --> 00:38:05,759 I have never tried, maybe someone else. 426 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,566 I tried opera on it. 427 00:38:07,567 --> 00:38:11,953 That seems to work. 428 00:38:11,954 --> 00:38:13,719 There must be a scrollbar somewhere. 429 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,752 If I manage to find it. 430 00:38:15,753 --> 00:38:17,463 There's mouse scroll. 431 00:38:17,464 --> 00:38:19,651 As you can see, it works. 432 00:38:19,652 --> 00:38:24,862 I could show unix sites on it, and we could see that it's not that dangerous. 433 00:38:24,863 --> 00:38:27,606 It works pretty well. 434 00:38:27,607 --> 00:38:31,980 XChat, practically I used to 435 00:38:31,981 --> 00:38:36,541 run Opera and XChat 436 00:38:36,542 --> 00:38:41,670 these are almost the same as on my Pegasos 437 00:38:41,671 --> 00:38:44,105 there I managed to have XGL 438 00:38:44,106 --> 00:38:46,354 but here I had neither time nor courage to try it 439 00:38:46,355 --> 00:38:50,609 But as we managed to make it with Peter, and the cube rotated and it worked 440 00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:53,647 we thought that we may show it off, but with no luck 441 00:38:53,648 --> 00:38:59,181 Well, if anyone has Linux questions, then gladly... 442 00:38:59,182 --> 00:39:03,560 Peter, any Linux questions? 443 00:39:03,561 --> 00:39:05,792 Sorry. 444 00:39:05,793 --> 00:39:07,941 Anyone else? 445 00:39:12,643 --> 00:39:17,944 XFCE terminal is pretty slow to start, anyone not knowing XFCE 446 00:39:17,945 --> 00:39:20,447 nowadays it's pretty popular 447 00:39:20,448 --> 00:39:25,714 it's a lightweight desktop 448 00:39:25,715 --> 00:39:30,335 there's Gnome and KDE everyone knows, 449 00:39:30,336 --> 00:39:32,751 but both of them are pretty bloatwares 450 00:39:32,752 --> 00:39:36,201 very big, very slow as usual 451 00:39:36,202 --> 00:39:39,112 which is a no deal for a Core 2 Duo 452 00:39:39,113 --> 00:39:42,411 but if we're talking about heat dissipation and so on 453 00:39:42,412 --> 00:39:49,340 it means that it has to run on a 10 year old hardware 454 00:39:49,341 --> 00:39:52,089 if it runs well on a 400 MHz Celeron it runs well here. 455 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:57,301 and XFCE is designed to run on low performance machines 456 00:39:57,302 --> 00:39:59,801 and it helps Efika a lot 457 00:39:59,802 --> 00:40:01,711 Gnome is extremely slow 458 00:40:01,712 --> 00:40:07,325 as the two strips on the sides of the screen swallow up all the memory 459 00:40:07,326 --> 00:40:09,142 it won't happen with XFCE 460 00:40:09,143 --> 00:40:12,417 if you buy a relatively cheap used PC 461 00:40:12,418 --> 00:40:15,331 and put an XFCE on it, it will be perfectly fine 462 00:40:15,332 --> 00:40:20,648 my girlfriend's mother and sister works on PII 350s 463 00:40:20,649 --> 00:40:24,011 low memory and XFCE and it's perfectly usable. 464 00:40:24,012 --> 00:40:25,483 (cheese grinder) 465 00:40:25,484 --> 00:40:28,344 There was money only for those 466 00:40:28,345 --> 00:40:30,309 but it works like a charm 467 00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:37,878 Well... Let's show MorphOS as it's much more appealing. 468 00:40:37,879 --> 00:40:42,342 As everyone can see Linux and home, and see that it's slow. 469 00:40:45,127 --> 00:40:47,008 Now let's see something that's fast. 470 00:40:51,648 --> 00:40:55,280 For Linux it takes time to realize I turned it off. 471 00:40:55,281 --> 00:40:58,252 Blue. 472 00:40:58,253 --> 00:41:08,358 On the monitor there's a cursor... 473 00:41:08,359 --> 00:41:10,567 Action! 474 00:41:10,568 --> 00:41:13,686 That's my favorite Linux... Shutdown. 475 00:41:13,687 --> 00:41:15,001 Best. 476 00:41:15,002 --> 00:41:29,395 Still shutdowning? I thought that it's ready. 477 00:41:38,381 --> 00:41:42,324 I pressed shutdown instead of restart, will someone push the button? 478 00:41:42,325 --> 00:41:45,229 On the top of it. 479 00:41:52,814 --> 00:41:55,958 Visibility vest team. 480 00:41:59,191 --> 00:42:00,433 Well? Anything? 481 00:42:05,032 --> 00:42:06,850 Let's show some openfirmware first. 482 00:42:06,851 --> 00:42:11,395 It's a firmware standard. 483 00:42:11,396 --> 00:42:15,687 It's something the Mac's have but Apple quite overpatched it. 484 00:42:15,688 --> 00:42:17,875 And changed pretty much. 485 00:42:17,876 --> 00:42:20,304 Something similar is in the Suns if I'm not mistaken. 486 00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:21,478 What? 487 00:42:21,479 --> 00:42:23,542 It's from Sun, Peter says. 488 00:42:23,543 --> 00:42:29,865 Efika has something like that, but quite patched also. 489 00:42:29,866 --> 00:42:33,593 We talked about that the motherboard handles ordinary PC videocards 490 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:38,783 it's possible because the firmware has an X86 emulator 491 00:42:38,784 --> 00:42:42,583 which can initialise the BIOS of the videocard 492 00:42:42,584 --> 00:42:49,162 it's mostly used with Radeon and XGI 493 00:42:49,163 --> 00:42:53,662 I have tried a range of cards, from old Ati Rages 494 00:42:53,663 --> 00:42:57,530 to 9250 Radeons 495 00:42:57,531 --> 00:43:02,708 and the firmware can initialise almost each of them 496 00:43:02,709 --> 00:43:05,862 that's pretty smart 497 00:43:05,863 --> 00:43:10,292 The thing I like in these firmwares and dislike in PC bioses 498 00:43:10,293 --> 00:43:12,976 I get an eye candy interface but can't do a thing 499 00:43:12,977 --> 00:43:18,352 in these firmwares there's a prompt, and many things to adjust 500 00:43:18,353 --> 00:43:24,336 like dumping it's settings 501 00:43:24,337 --> 00:43:28,726 it seems stone age, but if you know what to do and how to do 502 00:43:28,727 --> 00:43:31,947 it's far better than a menu/wizard wonder 503 00:43:31,948 --> 00:43:36,390 it's quite simple to adjust, you set it once and touch never more 504 00:43:38,799 --> 00:43:42,587 we can also list the content of hard disks 505 00:43:42,588 --> 00:43:49,644 like this is the content of my MorphOS partition 506 00:43:49,645 --> 00:43:52,002 507 00:43:52,003 --> 00:43:54,461 before I passed the microphone 508 00:44:24,398 --> 00:44:28,300 Back to the presentation 509 00:44:28,301 --> 00:44:33,737 We have presented 1.4.5 many times in Hungary 510 00:44:33,738 --> 00:44:37,729 and many of you know it well 511 00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:45,191 But the 2.0, before called 1.5 512 00:44:45,192 --> 00:44:50,011 but will most probably be released as 2.0 513 00:44:50,012 --> 00:44:54,642 Is delayed for quite a long time, I won't discuss here 514 00:44:54,643 --> 00:44:57,303 We could say many ugly things 515 00:44:57,304 --> 00:45:03,325 But it seems people are grown up enough to bury the hatchets 516 00:45:03,326 --> 00:45:10,325 and peace seems to be back 517 00:45:10,326 --> 00:45:15,154 The results are numerous spectacular developments 518 00:45:15,155 --> 00:45:17,321 Of which I'd like to show you one 519 00:45:17,322 --> 00:45:22,342 Namely that the entire interface and windowing system of MorphOS has been rewritten 520 00:45:22,343 --> 00:45:35,236 And produced 3D graphic card effects in a way which is still fully compatible with 3.1 Workbench 521 00:45:35,237 --> 00:45:37,711 and runs the same Amiga applications 522 00:45:37,712 --> 00:45:40,462 Practically with no speed penalties 523 00:45:40,463 --> 00:45:46,022 In some cases it's even faster than the previous system 524 00:45:46,023 --> 00:45:52,250 Practically it is capable to perform 3D effects, which I will show you 525 00:46:06,682 --> 00:46:10,180 In the background you can see that the window is transparent 526 00:46:10,181 --> 00:46:14,769 It works in full realtime 527 00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:21,114 And you can move windows in front and the background 528 00:46:21,115 --> 00:46:27,109 It works flawlessly on a 400 MHz machine 529 00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:30,944 It uses the acceleration of the Radeon inside 530 00:46:30,945 --> 00:46:35,741 Let's open a few more windows to make it perfect 531 00:46:35,741 --> 00:46:38,324 It was already there 532 00:46:38,325 --> 00:46:40,062 Even a ramdisk... 533 00:46:40,063 --> 00:46:43,981 System... 534 00:46:43,982 --> 00:46:46,174 Where are the icons? Here are the icons. 535 00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:54,431 Let's start an AmIrc - but there's still no net. 536 00:46:57,695 --> 00:47:01,013 Maybe it's more impressive 537 00:47:01,014 --> 00:47:04,970 It has quite a decent speed 538 00:47:12,945 --> 00:47:17,371 And it works on Efika 539 00:47:17,372 --> 00:47:19,517 We've already shown it on Pegasos 540 00:47:19,518 --> 00:47:23,737 and there was a Presentation in Poland 541 00:47:23,738 --> 00:47:28,199 the developer of this 3D layers, who is polish 542 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,616 he show it off 543 00:47:31,617 --> 00:47:37,735 but here in Hungary and on Efika it's sure that I present it first 544 00:47:37,736 --> 00:47:42,231 as till yesterday even I didn't have it 545 00:47:42,232 --> 00:47:51,533 We also have to apologize, as for example Emeric has made us a background 546 00:47:51,534 --> 00:47:55,010 for this presentation I had no time to set 547 00:47:55,011 --> 00:47:57,458 and copy from other machines 548 00:47:57,459 --> 00:48:00,328 my only excuse is that this background is also made by him 549 00:48:00,329 --> 00:48:04,447 so maybe this conflict will resolve 550 00:48:04,448 --> 00:48:07,487 mitigating cause 551 00:48:07,488 --> 00:48:16,475 Many told me the first thing they turn off in operating system is this 3D transparent stuff 552 00:48:16,476 --> 00:48:21,361 I think it's mainly because they use it the wrong way 553 00:48:21,362 --> 00:48:29,551 I'm not an OSX fan 554 00:48:29,552 --> 00:48:36,835 but OSX is a good example of how to implement transparency and 3D and still remain pleasant to use 555 00:48:41,161 --> 00:48:44,908 Not to mention that it's not for these pointless things 556 00:48:44,909 --> 00:48:52,418 but it also enables alpha windows to fully integrate into the system 557 00:48:52,419 --> 00:48:58,582 There are many more I could show you 558 00:48:58,583 --> 00:49:01,535 but the number of programs on this machine is quite limited, as it's a beta machine 559 00:49:01,536 --> 00:49:06,566 It was assembled in a hurry 560 00:49:06,567 --> 00:49:08,694 Even the menu is transparent, true 561 00:49:18,962 --> 00:49:20,870 Questions anyone? 562 00:49:20,871 --> 00:49:24,202 Except for when will 2.0 be released, as I don't know 563 00:49:24,203 --> 00:49:27,224 I will answer gladly 564 00:49:29,368 --> 00:49:33,687 Come on let's hear the questions. 565 00:49:35,786 --> 00:49:45,768 Can you use it as a full featured desktop like an Ubuntu? Is there an office suite? 566 00:49:45,769 --> 00:49:55,817 We can use it as a normal desktop, but two things are missing from Amiga like systems today, is an Office Suite and a decent browser 567 00:49:55,818 --> 00:50:04,232 normal browser will hopefully resolve, as there's a KHTML port, the same as Safari is using 568 00:50:04,233 --> 00:50:08,954 Nokia browsers are using also in existing mobile phones 569 00:50:08,955 --> 00:50:18,905 of that we have a half finished port which is hopefully will be finished 570 00:50:18,906 --> 00:50:23,225 it's possible that it will be part of MorphOS 2.0 571 00:50:23,226 --> 00:50:27,247 but if not, it will be downloadable separately 572 00:50:27,248 --> 00:50:29,971 It's also developed by a polish guy 573 00:50:29,972 --> 00:50:33,925 I can't show it as I had no time to copy it 574 00:50:33,926 --> 00:50:36,579 but CSS and all works with it 575 00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:37,885 Office Suite we don't have. 576 00:50:37,886 --> 00:50:41,408 All I can say to that that personally I'm not using office... 577 00:50:41,409 --> 00:50:44,545 not because there isn't one 578 00:50:44,546 --> 00:50:51,099 yes, there are a few attempts, like Papyrus office 579 00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,585 and older Amiga softwares, spreadsheets, etc. 580 00:50:55,586 --> 00:50:56,837 those work 581 00:50:56,838 --> 00:51:00,015 But it's Word 6 level at most 582 00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:03,103 If my mother wants to write a letter it's sufficient 583 00:51:03,104 --> 00:51:06,696 for basic stuff like that 584 00:51:06,697 --> 00:51:09,547 Question. 585 00:51:14,308 --> 00:51:17,312 Unicode handling? There is. 586 00:51:17,313 --> 00:51:22,596 It's just recently integrated 587 00:51:22,597 --> 00:51:24,742 to be system level 588 00:51:24,743 --> 00:51:27,759 truetype font support is there since ages 589 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:36,095 practically it's present, the operating system can be fully localised 590 00:51:36,096 --> 00:51:40,070 it's here is english, but I myself make the hungarian translation 591 00:51:40,071 --> 00:51:45,527 but there are many more languages, like russian, and far east languages 592 00:51:45,528 --> 00:51:46,957 at least partially 593 00:51:46,958 --> 00:51:55,338 and for those this support is a must, and it works, more and more 594 00:51:58,243 --> 00:51:59,276 Other questions? 595 00:52:03,008 --> 00:52:05,355 I'll show you a few things if I can 596 00:52:09,484 --> 00:52:11,881 We have a prefs application if it shows up 597 00:52:11,882 --> 00:52:13,758 It managed to open in real huge size 598 00:52:13,759 --> 00:52:16,739 Come to the corner, kitty, kitty 599 00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:19,576 But you can well see that it's transparent 600 00:52:31,051 --> 00:52:33,421 There's it's tail... I catched it. 601 00:52:33,422 --> 00:52:36,605 So there's a prefs application 602 00:52:36,606 --> 00:52:40,336 Of which many think is horrible, but many just love it 603 00:52:40,337 --> 00:52:45,396 I want to show the network prefs 604 00:52:45,397 --> 00:52:52,005 There was no TCP/IP support in old 1.4.5 MorphOS 605 00:52:52,006 --> 00:52:54,199 it doesn't mean that it couldn't have been used to surf the net 606 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,097 but you had to use older Amiga softwares 607 00:52:57,098 --> 00:53:01,102 but in this one there's a default TCP/IP stack 608 00:53:01,103 --> 00:53:04,912 and there's driver even for the Efika in there 609 00:53:04,913 --> 00:53:09,698 Even there is sound, despite they are still working on it 610 00:53:09,699 --> 00:53:12,631 There's picture, 3D support is working 611 00:53:12,632 --> 00:53:14,620 there are 3D layers 612 00:53:14,621 --> 00:53:15,909 there's ethernet 613 00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:21,311 and it's fast, especially compared to our Linux performance 614 00:53:21,312 --> 00:53:23,011 it's lightning fast 615 00:53:25,154 --> 00:53:29,041 What do I use my Efika and my Pegasos under MorphOS? 616 00:53:29,042 --> 00:53:35,262 I use it for writing emails, as it has an excellent email client 617 00:53:35,263 --> 00:53:47,177 I can surf the web with the old Amiga browsers and this new beta 618 00:53:47,178 --> 00:53:50,093 there's an excellent ssh console 619 00:53:50,094 --> 00:53:51,968 even better than putty for windows 620 00:53:51,969 --> 00:53:58,335 and I even start to like it more than Linux ssh 621 00:53:58,336 --> 00:54:01,339 I think Laysoft could tell a lot about it 622 00:54:01,340 --> 00:54:06,259 he used to develop PHP from under MorphOS 623 00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:10,499 I develop that using ftpmount 624 00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,037 Go grab a microphone 625 00:54:12,038 --> 00:54:13,734 Come here Lay 626 00:54:14,222 --> 00:54:20,266 Some applause please, he developed the party system which is quite outstanding 627 00:54:27,406 --> 00:54:29,579 Ftpmount is a software 628 00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:37,809 ftp addresses can be mounted as drives 629 00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:40,174 and you can work on them 630 00:54:40,175 --> 00:54:46,742 It's originally an Amiga software, but there's native MorphOS version 631 00:54:46,743 --> 00:54:52,951 and it's almost like working on a local HDD 632 00:54:52,952 --> 00:54:55,834 and it makes development real comfortable 633 00:54:55,835 --> 00:55:05,843 and this paired up with remote control softwares makes it ideal for example Linux work 634 00:55:05,844 --> 00:55:11,805 I personally like more to work this way than in front of a Linux box 635 00:55:11,806 --> 00:55:16,538 For Amigans: yes, there is Ced 636 00:55:19,593 --> 00:55:21,144 The Ced is a text editor 637 00:55:21,145 --> 00:55:25,947 but Lay may correct me 638 00:55:25,948 --> 00:55:28,090 it's like VI on Linux 639 00:55:28,091 --> 00:55:30,927 just it's better than VI 640 00:55:30,928 --> 00:55:33,362 but it's almost the same category 641 00:55:33,363 --> 00:55:36,914 There's even a search window, look 642 00:55:36,915 --> 00:55:42,671 And it's PPC native, fully ported 643 00:55:48,966 --> 00:55:52,907 Light bubbles need no change. 644 00:56:01,908 --> 00:56:07,152 More questions? 645 00:56:07,153 --> 00:56:09,398 How old is the captain? 646 00:56:09,399 --> 00:56:10,647 42 647 00:56:12,545 --> 00:56:15,364 One more thing - we showed off the Efika here 648 00:56:15,365 --> 00:56:17,937 both with Linux and MorphOS 649 00:56:17,938 --> 00:56:22,746 the Machine we shown around 650 00:56:22,747 --> 00:56:26,880 here's the machine 651 00:56:26,881 --> 00:56:33,108 and Genesi sent it to us for the presentation despite we already have Efikas 652 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:36,974 and I can offer this machine 653 00:56:36,975 --> 00:56:44,808 for someone who has a worthy project, and Genesi agrees 654 00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:48,620 as we all got our machines, both me and Peter 655 00:56:48,621 --> 00:56:52,680 to develop on them and widen the software base 656 00:56:52,681 --> 00:56:55,941 and making something positive using the machines 657 00:56:55,942 --> 00:57:00,104 if anyone's interested, and would like to have this machine in my hand 658 00:57:00,105 --> 00:57:07,290 then just apply and we will help in making the necessary steps 659 00:57:07,291 --> 00:57:12,985 and even this way we would like to thank Genesi for their support 660 00:57:12,986 --> 00:57:19,833 Full featured, with hard drive, video card, everything included 661 00:57:19,834 --> 00:57:24,682 full documentation, it can be all yours 662 00:57:24,683 --> 00:57:31,760 Following the presentation we can talk it over with those interested 663 00:57:31,761 --> 00:57:38,932 Thank you for watching, and remaining with us despite our problems 664 00:57:38,933 --> 00:57:40,903 And hope there were things you liked 665 00:57:40,904 --> 00:57:49,987 And maybe some day you will find that an Efika is the ideal platform for some of your tasks